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Aug 10, 2005, 03:48 AM // 03:48
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Academy Page
Join Date: May 2005
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Aug 10, 2005, 03:53 AM // 03:53
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Zookeeper
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Australian Discussion Posse HQ - Glorious leader
Guild: ҉ ̵̡̢̢̛̛̛̖̗̘̙̜̝̞̟&#
Profession: N/E
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But don't the ascalons just start setting up camps/outposts all over Tyria?
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Aug 10, 2005, 04:04 AM // 04:04
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: May 2005
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No, they have a settlement in Kyrta but that is about it.
Those lands belong to someone, Kyrtal allowed then to create a outpost ... they did not just go there and build a outpost. |
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Aug 10, 2005, 04:12 AM // 04:12
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: May 2005
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The story is basically a carbon copy of Warcraft 3's...Rurik=Human prince, Ascalonians fleeing=Orcs fleeing, Frozen Northlands=Ring of Fire, Lich=Lich...Etc
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Aug 10, 2005, 04:34 AM // 04:34
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Academy Page
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Farnham, Quebec, Canada
Guild: The Phoenix Brotherhood [TPB]
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Oh god, time for some setting up...
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 To the death of us all, my "red engine"...Anyway, they spoiled Rurik, but they also spoiled the Lich there. I mean, THE LICH HAS THE SCEPTER! Err, 2+2=4? Quote:
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Aug 10, 2005, 04:48 AM // 04:48
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: I wander.
Profession: Mo/R
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But seriously.... I was peeved about just ditching Ascalon. I sorta figured "well, I'm part of the Prince's Vanguard.... I'll sneak back at some point, hahaha!" but then we never went back :(. I didn't even realize that Rin was the capital until like my third time through the game. One of my friends who studied in my room while I played (however that works :/) commented on my change of heart toward Rurik; before I knew what happened to him, I was always saying "I hate Rurik" and "I really hate Rurik". Then, when I'm spending several days trying to do all the quests and bonus quests and anything elsethat might save him and yelling "NO! Dammit!" she's "why do you care, you hate the guy"..... but yeah, after Rurik was gone, the general story did fall apart. It wasn't that big a deal to me; I'm just happy the gameplay makes up for it. I missed the Cantha stuff too; never found that particular NPC to talk to. Not that it has a major impact on the game :(. I was suspicious of the Vizier (which probably means it was obvious, since I look up when people tell me "Gullible" is written on the ceiling). The prophecies.... I don't like stories driven by prophecy all that much. In fact, when I get the option, I always play my characters in a "Prophecy can shove it" kind of way (as much as I can :( ). On the other hand, if I'd been told "we expect you to fulfill these prophecies", I personally would have asked "hey, what do they say? Oh? I'm going to unleash the firey hordes of doom upon all of Tyria?". I still would have done it, but I expect most people don't find the thought of everything burning to be nearly as amusing as I do (I'm a little disturbed :)). Then there's Saidra. "Oh, let me charge the Mursaat! I'll hold them as long as I can". Often, she's dead before my computer loads up again; the only saving grace is that the Mursaat move only 1 mile an hour, so we can still escape safely. I barely knew who she was before she was dead; I remembered Evennia, but Saidra was like "WTF? Who is that? Oh, a corpse, ok". Glint was "amusing"; I'm gonna go kill her sometime. Put together a dragon slaying party and just beat the daylights out of her. Otherwise, she was just an "I know everything and tell you what I want you to know because I'm a controlling b-rate itch" character (is that a bad word? I never can remember). Yes, we want to kill the dragon, don't we? By the end, I was just sorta going "Ok, so I go here next. Whatever; things to kill, skills to cap, things to make die. This is fun!". I did like that I wasn't totally lost at any point. I never said "wait, where do I go next?" or "holy Freak of Nature! I wandered into a level 50 zone and got killed in one hit". The general level balance wasn't bad.... but the story..... oh dear heavens the story was awful. Don't play GW for the story. In closing, yes, I want to go back and kick some more Charr hide and save Ascalon. Screw the rest of the world (since when am I a patriot?). ---Off Topic... almost Guild Wars is definatly not a carbon-copy WarIII. I've played both; Rurik isn't ideal, but he's definately no Arthas; Arthas (without spoiling too much) seemed to revel in the things he did, and he did some mean things. And, up until you get half way through the first Orc campaign (before Frozen Throne), the story isn't bad at all. Cliche and cheesy at times, but not bad, and some of it was new and inspired rants that I won't get into now. (Smilies are disabled because it says I have too many pictures in this post and the smilies are causing it). |
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Aug 10, 2005, 04:52 AM // 04:52
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Banned
Join Date: May 2005
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Does chapter 1 mean ANYTHING to you idiots?
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Aug 10, 2005, 06:31 AM // 06:31
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Aug 2005
Profession: N/E
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While this is the first chapter, that's also no excuse to leave such glaring holes. Take almost any trilogy, for instance, be it movie or book. They always wrap up all the loose ends in some way, maybe sometimes aside from one key thing that is basically the teaser for a possible sequel. Guild Wars did a very, very poor job of having closure for even the most simple of things.
I personally see GW's story as a tacked-on effort to give roleplayers something to splash around in. I picture the beginnings of GW as going something like, "Okay, we have an idea for a free massively multiplayer game. We're going to focus on skills and PvP as a result." "But what will the story be? If the game doesn't have a story, there won't be any common ground for the rest of the game." "We'll make up something, but that's not the point." Essentially I view GW's many missions as constructed by engineers, not artists. All of the missions and quests seem tacked on in an effort to try to piece together locations, not events. There are hundreds of tiny questions that were just never clairified. Everything is just thrown at you in the hopes that you will accept it, like the existence of the other 'major races' such as Tengus, Grawl, Centaurs and the bloodthirsty yet-without-actual-reason Charr. None of these races really have a backstory aside from the fact that they exist, and they either want or don't want you dead. Many problems you encounter in various areas have only minor closure. For instance, the White Mantle are never actually beaten, although you have a rather minor quest in which you beat their remaining leaders. You never actually seem to beat the Mursaat either, although you do kill a good deal of them. Really, the whole "plot" of the game reminds me a bit of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Your whole mission is to beat a villain that you create halfway through the story. By never going through time, you never have to worry about a villain that you, up to that point, have never even had many, if any, dealings with. By never bothering with the Scepter of Orr (really, even proceeding past the Ascalonian Settlements, since that was your objective the whole time really), you never have a reason to fight an ultimate evil. Eh, I'm just dissapointed by the whole story in general. It doesn't seem very thought out at all, just littered with basic concepts for minor details. The world itself doesn't really have a feeling or spirit to it. |
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Aug 10, 2005, 06:42 AM // 06:42
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: May 2005
Guild: The Twilight Vanguard [TTV]
Profession: R/
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Aug 10, 2005, 06:59 AM // 06:59
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Sunshine Coast, Australia
Guild: Soul Crusaders
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I wish there was more choice to what you do but anyway....it says CHAPTER 1. Chapter is a small part, it's not an episode or part, so yeah, there's always more loose ends. The next chapter generally covers 1 or 2 of those loose ends, and by the looks of it, it's even more stone summit......
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Aug 10, 2005, 07:04 AM // 07:04
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Academy Page
Join Date: May 2005
Guild: Axes High Alumni [AXES]
Profession: E/N
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One quick thing. Ambassador Zain could have been a benevolent member of a malevolent faction. Just because he's White Mantle doesn't mean he's an inherently terrible person, he's just going along with some inherently terrible things. He might not even know about them.
Oh... I guess one other thing. What the hell does "To the end of us all" mean? It sounds sort of cool, but if you think about it, it makes no sense. The only possibility is like "We'll fight here even though we expect to die," but... the hell. They could have worded it a little better, at least. |
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Aug 10, 2005, 07:25 AM // 07:25
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: May 2005
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The funny thing is: ANET seemed to unintentionally create a interesting RPG story:
Rurik is set up as a noble prince, but ends up weakening Ascalon. A useless traitor. The unseen gods are a race of spellcasters who create a religion that apears benelovent but is rotten on the inside. The Mursaat arent that bad if you really think about them. They protect themself, but at the end of the day, what was your main success? Closing the gate - which the Mursaat did fine without you. The only bad things about them: they are not human. Thats always a good reason for mass genocide. They kill some chosen. Thats bad, but just look at your killcount for once. How do you prove your worth to the gods? By killing stuff without any reason at all. Whats your gripe with the forgotten in thirsty river. And what did the centaurs do to you (dunes)? So they created a RPG that appears to be a cliched Epic with heroes and monsters, but in truth, the heroes are monsters as well, and the "monsters" (mursaat, white mantle) are not that bad. The lich however... every damn RPG has a BBEG that schemes and plots and tricks you into helping him. A plot twist would be if the Vizier was indeed good. Honestly, how many games have you played where to undead are good? *Oh and there are hints that the ambassador is not that benelovent at all. See the artifact quest that you delivere to serenity, and never find out what it actually does. I do agree that the GW world lacks lore, and lots of it. |
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Aug 10, 2005, 08:23 AM // 08:23
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jun 2005
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It is almost ironic how all sides are bad, in varied degrees. You did point out most of them, but it does go slightly deeper if you think about who knows what before hand.
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Then you have the seer, who's race has been in conflict with the mursaat. This begs the question as to why and their real motives. Were they attempting to weild the power of the titans, or did they know the full story behind the prophecy and were trying to directly aid the chosen to break the seal and allow chaos to reign? Furthermore, you have the dwarves who are in conflict, due to the xenophobic differences. Why did it exist? One conclusion would be that the dwarves knew about the chosen releasing the seal of the titans and were trying to prevent it, just like the mursaat. Also, how did the dwarves survive the searing, if the char had to cross through the mountains in order to reach orr and kryta? Then you have the centaurs, who also appear to be split between siding with humans and trying to activly drive them off or be "neutral". Motives could be argued similar to the dwarves. Next you have the supernatural, the dragons, undead, druids (spirits), and forgotton. Gee, this whole catagory reeks of, "well humans are stupid playthings for us to exploit and kill, but later on get slaughtered by a small band of them that we know will come and do nothing to stop it". There is also an underlying they are too dumb to understand anything if we explain it to them element as well. The only living human that appeared to know anything that was going on was the space cadet shouter guy in frontier gate, who would proclaim the flameseeker prophecies are comming to pass and they should follow the prince, but the world is comming to an end ect. Quote:
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Aug 10, 2005, 12:22 PM // 12:22
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jul 2005
Guild: Rest En Pieces [RIP]
Profession: Me/W
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The story was fine up to Yak's Bend.
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Aug 10, 2005, 12:43 PM // 12:43
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: May 2005
Location: USA
Guild: [GSS][SoF][DIII]
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I thought the story was alright
1) You defend your home, Ascalon, from the Charr 2) You lead your people away to Kryta so they dont have to suffer while fighting the charr every day. We dont know what happened to those who stayed, but because the Lich sent titans to Rin I believe that the Ascalonians were still alive+kicking. 3) You fight your way across the treacherous shiverpeak mountains, and have to fight your way through a race of angry prejudiced dwarves to do it. 4) You arrive in Kryta, help out the White Mantle against the Undead. 5) You learn that the Mantle slaughter 'innocent' people, so you do as all heros do and fight the tyranny. This means joining the shining blade. 6) You escape the mantle and their mursaat masters and realize you cant beat them with your current powers. You then go and ascend. The story makes more sense if you ascend while still level 18-19, so when you ascend you gain all that XP and max level and you have tanglible reward for ascending. 7) You go rescue your Shining Blade friends from the mursaat, go help the dwarves against the summit (repaying your debt for them helping you out earlier) 8) You go to the RoF to end the mursaat once and for all, only to discover you've been used by the vizier the whole time. The mursaat and the mantle apparently were doing a good thing by keeping the door closed, even though they were being a little.. extreme with their measures of slaughtering innocent chosen. 9) You go kick the Lich's ass to make up for your previous stupidity. Kinda makes you think "Oh come on not everyone can be a traitor." but hey its better than some. Most of you didnt buy GW for the story anyways. |
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Aug 10, 2005, 01:05 PM // 13:05
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: May 2005
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This is nothing bad, but if you consider that the the mantle is evil for killing some innocents to prevent great evil (the starship-trooper-esque bugs on fire), killing some forgotten "for competition" is just as bad. Maybe its the age-old problem of rezz vs death. I never understoond why its such a bad thing when people died in fantasy games. You usually get rezzed while your still a nobody, so why does noone rezz the "important character to suffer a tragic fate (tm)"? People are so used to hollywood cheese that they think people dieng is "dramatic". Honestly, i died at least 10 times in the same mission where rurik stops breathing. Rezzing for the win. on a sidenote: im not sure wether ANET actually intended the story to be so deep. Look at the blade: they appear to be the "cool mysterious underground rebel good-guys" but actually create the most evil (handing the scepter to the mysterious, undead-summoning, powerfull mage who somehow managed to survive the destruction of an entire nation after meeting with him ... once) . The only thing they actually manage is to free a couple chosen. Then they get wiped by the mantle. To bad i had to "flee" the tin cans. I fear the mursaat (chain - lightning ...), but mantle? People used to farm them, imagine the joy when you get attacked by 100 knights at once 
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Aug 10, 2005, 03:44 PM // 15:44
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: So Cal
Guild: The Sinister Vanguard
Profession: Me/
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Chapter 2 - The Cleansing of Ascalon SubTitled - Charr-broiling with Rurik's Ghost (Bam!) But then again... Ch2 is supposed to be content for ascended characters... and anyone can get to Ascalon. Maybe not. Pity. |
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Aug 10, 2005, 03:53 PM // 15:53
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Aug 2005
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(the mission says you need to hurry, but it is not lost when he dies...) |
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Aug 10, 2005, 04:04 PM // 16:04
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Belgium
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what happened to orr ? hmm
ever wondered why Undead drop decayed orr emblems ? :P |
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Aug 10, 2005, 04:23 PM // 16:23
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Middle-Age-Man
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Lansing, Mi
Profession: W/Mo
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Poor Evennia...she lost her Partner. |
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